Session 6 Notes
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Please help to take good notes. We will publish them on fediforum.org like we did after previous events.
Data and Account Portability: ...
Convener of the session: Dmitri Z. @dmitri@social.coopSlides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SSFrS2ke2tqMZrRUGyIPsOXIfS62qZFu0JcyBVSz9rI/
Attendees (please add your own name here if you would like to be listed. There is no obligation.)
Charles Iliya Krempeaux @reiver@mastodon.social
Scott M. Stolz @scott@loves.tech @scott@codejournal.dev @scott.codejournal.dev
Raphael Lullis @raphael@communick.com
bumblefudge.com
Scott Jenson @scottjenson@social.coop
Ben Pate @benpate@mastodon.social
Nigini Oliveira @nigini@social.coop
Johannes Ernst https://j12t.org @j12t@j12t.social @j12t.org
Ryan Barrett @snarfed.org
Damon, @damonoutlaw.xyz
Maho Pacheco @mapache@hachyderm.io
Seth Goldstein @phillycodehound@indieweb.social << https://social.sethgoldstein.me
James Marshall @jamesmarshall@sfba.social
Evan Prodromou acct:evan@cosocial.ca
Paul Fuxjaeger @cypherhippie@chaos.social
Cagan Mert Islek, @islekcaganmert.me@bsky.brid.gy
Tom Casavant @tom@tomkahe.com
David Rowley
Jesse Karmani @jesseplusplus@mastodon.social
Matt Baer @matt@writing.exchangeWebsite (if the subject has one): ...
Notes
We are trying to do on the Open Social Web what email accomplished- You can dowload your emails and contacts and move to another email provider.
We have tiny windows of portability on Web 2 (and its platforms)
- sometimes parts of your data
- but generally they lock in your social graph.
Can we do better? YES!
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We want to EXPORT data (not only posts, but also interactions and media), identifiers, as well as the social graph
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AND IMPORT
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Automated
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Dmitry asked developers interested in this to join: https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg/
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Dmitry: checkout: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.html
Current efforts:
- DTI & LOLA: (online portability) https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.htmlConnection with Cory's remedies for enshitification:
- a core affordance is easy portability between difference service providers!!!Q: what are the groups we can contribute to to make this happen?
- How can we get to having the "migration button" (some service providers are blocked for a lack of clarity on how to move forward)
- Comment: Hubzilla has implemented a lot of what is been discussed!
- FEP-c390 - Identity proofs
- identity is not associated to a server
A: Roadmap as proposed by Data Portability Work Group
- FEP-7952
Q: What is the strucuture of the problem?
- Export protocol
- Content addressing/format
- Identify mapping?
- Post migration
- Huge issues for modation
- ...Hubzilla, Streams, Forte, and Mitra are working on a solution:
Client-side keysLinks
FEP-7952: Roadmap For Actor and Object Portability (see References section for many relevant FEPs)
FEP-73cd: Migration User Stories
FEP-6fcd: Account Export Container Format and FEP-9091: Export Actor Service Endpoint
FEP-cd47: Federation-friendly Addressing and Deduplication Use-Cases - Content-addressing <> DATA Portability considerations
FediMOD FIRES tooling for portable/interoperable moderation records (WIP) - re-moderating or checking for moderation history at time of import can use FIRES if exporting/prior server also supports it
https://erinkissane.com/notes-from-a-mastodon-migration
https://github.com/tweetback/tweetback
Identity Proofs - https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/c390/fep-c390.md--
Ben Pate@benpate@mastodon.social
https://benpate.dev
https://emissary.dev
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R reiver@mastodon.social shared this topic
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Please help to take good notes. We will publish them on fediforum.org like we did after previous events.
Data and Account Portability: ...
Convener of the session: Dmitri Z. @dmitri@social.coopSlides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SSFrS2ke2tqMZrRUGyIPsOXIfS62qZFu0JcyBVSz9rI/
Attendees (please add your own name here if you would like to be listed. There is no obligation.)
Charles Iliya Krempeaux @reiver@mastodon.social
Scott M. Stolz @scott@loves.tech @scott@codejournal.dev @scott.codejournal.dev
Raphael Lullis @raphael@communick.com
bumblefudge.com
Scott Jenson @scottjenson@social.coop
Ben Pate @benpate@mastodon.social
Nigini Oliveira @nigini@social.coop
Johannes Ernst https://j12t.org @j12t@j12t.social @j12t.org
Ryan Barrett @snarfed.org
Damon, @damonoutlaw.xyz
Maho Pacheco @mapache@hachyderm.io
Seth Goldstein @phillycodehound@indieweb.social << https://social.sethgoldstein.me
James Marshall @jamesmarshall@sfba.social
Evan Prodromou acct:evan@cosocial.ca
Paul Fuxjaeger @cypherhippie@chaos.social
Cagan Mert Islek, @islekcaganmert.me@bsky.brid.gy
Tom Casavant @tom@tomkahe.com
David Rowley
Jesse Karmani @jesseplusplus@mastodon.social
Matt Baer @matt@writing.exchangeWebsite (if the subject has one): ...
Notes
We are trying to do on the Open Social Web what email accomplished- You can dowload your emails and contacts and move to another email provider.
We have tiny windows of portability on Web 2 (and its platforms)
- sometimes parts of your data
- but generally they lock in your social graph.
Can we do better? YES!
-
We want to EXPORT data (not only posts, but also interactions and media), identifiers, as well as the social graph
-
AND IMPORT
-
Automated
-
Dmitry asked developers interested in this to join: https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg/
-
Dmitry: checkout: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.html
Current efforts:
- DTI & LOLA: (online portability) https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.htmlConnection with Cory's remedies for enshitification:
- a core affordance is easy portability between difference service providers!!!Q: what are the groups we can contribute to to make this happen?
- How can we get to having the "migration button" (some service providers are blocked for a lack of clarity on how to move forward)
- Comment: Hubzilla has implemented a lot of what is been discussed!
- FEP-c390 - Identity proofs
- identity is not associated to a server
A: Roadmap as proposed by Data Portability Work Group
- FEP-7952
Q: What is the strucuture of the problem?
- Export protocol
- Content addressing/format
- Identify mapping?
- Post migration
- Huge issues for modation
- ...Hubzilla, Streams, Forte, and Mitra are working on a solution:
Client-side keysLinks
FEP-7952: Roadmap For Actor and Object Portability (see References section for many relevant FEPs)
FEP-73cd: Migration User Stories
FEP-6fcd: Account Export Container Format and FEP-9091: Export Actor Service Endpoint
FEP-cd47: Federation-friendly Addressing and Deduplication Use-Cases - Content-addressing <> DATA Portability considerations
FediMOD FIRES tooling for portable/interoperable moderation records (WIP) - re-moderating or checking for moderation history at time of import can use FIRES if exporting/prior server also supports it
https://erinkissane.com/notes-from-a-mastodon-migration
https://github.com/tweetback/tweetback
Identity Proofs - https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/c390/fep-c390.md@benpate@emissary.nodebb.com @dmitri @reiver @scott@loves.tech @scott@codejournal.dev @scottjenson @benpate @nigini @j12t @mapache @phillycodehound @islekcaganmert.me @tom @jesseplusplus
What's new in the Open Social Web?
made for the dutch an #opensouce fediverse connected Facebook alternative. nlsociaal.nl
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@benpate@emissary.nodebb.com @dmitri @reiver @scott@loves.tech @scott@codejournal.dev @scottjenson @benpate @nigini @j12t @mapache @phillycodehound @islekcaganmert.me @tom @jesseplusplus
What's new in the Open Social Web?
made for the dutch an #opensouce fediverse connected Facebook alternative. nlsociaal.nl
Howdy, @redegelde@mastodon.social
If there's a connection here to the discussion about portable identity, I'm sorry.. I don't understand it from your post.
Can you please help us with a little more context, or try to keep your replies here on topic?
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Please help to take good notes. We will publish them on fediforum.org like we did after previous events.
Data and Account Portability: ...
Convener of the session: Dmitri Z. @dmitri@social.coopSlides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SSFrS2ke2tqMZrRUGyIPsOXIfS62qZFu0JcyBVSz9rI/
Attendees (please add your own name here if you would like to be listed. There is no obligation.)
Charles Iliya Krempeaux @reiver@mastodon.social
Scott M. Stolz @scott@loves.tech @scott@codejournal.dev @scott.codejournal.dev
Raphael Lullis @raphael@communick.com
bumblefudge.com
Scott Jenson @scottjenson@social.coop
Ben Pate @benpate@mastodon.social
Nigini Oliveira @nigini@social.coop
Johannes Ernst https://j12t.org @j12t@j12t.social @j12t.org
Ryan Barrett @snarfed.org
Damon, @damonoutlaw.xyz
Maho Pacheco @mapache@hachyderm.io
Seth Goldstein @phillycodehound@indieweb.social << https://social.sethgoldstein.me
James Marshall @jamesmarshall@sfba.social
Evan Prodromou acct:evan@cosocial.ca
Paul Fuxjaeger @cypherhippie@chaos.social
Cagan Mert Islek, @islekcaganmert.me@bsky.brid.gy
Tom Casavant @tom@tomkahe.com
David Rowley
Jesse Karmani @jesseplusplus@mastodon.social
Matt Baer @matt@writing.exchangeWebsite (if the subject has one): ...
Notes
We are trying to do on the Open Social Web what email accomplished- You can dowload your emails and contacts and move to another email provider.
We have tiny windows of portability on Web 2 (and its platforms)
- sometimes parts of your data
- but generally they lock in your social graph.
Can we do better? YES!
-
We want to EXPORT data (not only posts, but also interactions and media), identifiers, as well as the social graph
-
AND IMPORT
-
Automated
-
Dmitry asked developers interested in this to join: https://www.w3.org/community/socialcg/
-
Dmitry: checkout: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.html
Current efforts:
- DTI & LOLA: (online portability) https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola.htmlConnection with Cory's remedies for enshitification:
- a core affordance is easy portability between difference service providers!!!Q: what are the groups we can contribute to to make this happen?
- How can we get to having the "migration button" (some service providers are blocked for a lack of clarity on how to move forward)
- Comment: Hubzilla has implemented a lot of what is been discussed!
- FEP-c390 - Identity proofs
- identity is not associated to a server
A: Roadmap as proposed by Data Portability Work Group
- FEP-7952
Q: What is the strucuture of the problem?
- Export protocol
- Content addressing/format
- Identify mapping?
- Post migration
- Huge issues for modation
- ...Hubzilla, Streams, Forte, and Mitra are working on a solution:
Client-side keysLinks
FEP-7952: Roadmap For Actor and Object Portability (see References section for many relevant FEPs)
FEP-73cd: Migration User Stories
FEP-6fcd: Account Export Container Format and FEP-9091: Export Actor Service Endpoint
FEP-cd47: Federation-friendly Addressing and Deduplication Use-Cases - Content-addressing <> DATA Portability considerations
FediMOD FIRES tooling for portable/interoperable moderation records (WIP) - re-moderating or checking for moderation history at time of import can use FIRES if exporting/prior server also supports it
https://erinkissane.com/notes-from-a-mastodon-migration
https://github.com/tweetback/tweetback
Identity Proofs - https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/c390/fep-c390.md@benpate Check the notes again please. I added a whole section on Hubzilla. -
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Howdy, @redegelde@mastodon.social
If there's a connection here to the discussion about portable identity, I'm sorry.. I don't understand it from your post.
Can you please help us with a little more context, or try to keep your replies here on topic?
@benpate sorry, will do that
